Dundee United

United fans, we asked for you opinions on the 2-0 derby defeat to Dundee. Here's a taste of what you had to say:

Ian: So disappointing again! It's all very well saying we're a team in transition and to have patience, but that seems to be the case every year. United are a terrible watch at the moment.

Dave: Every season there is one team who cannot put the ball in the net and give away cheap goals. They are the team that invariably gets relegated. Just saying.

Peter: This was a very disappointing game. A revamped squad meant a different starting 11, but where was the service to new point man Metsoko? No one seemed to know what to do with the ball once in striking range. Yoro and Randall were both wasteful.

The defence looked clueless. The manager says he doesn't have to change anything but I beg to differ if his tactics aren't going to continue be questioned. Camara had a decent game but you have to start Rose & Sapsford from here on in. They looked the part.

Wilf: If Jim Goodwin was at any other club, he would have been sacked long ago. Just look at his history in football management.

Scott: Grim stuff from United. Dundee showed the grit and determination it takes to win a derby match. Too many United players were well off it. There are some top quality youngsters that played in the early games this season with more talent and desire than some of the regulars. Someone once said "if you're good enough, you're old enough".

Unfortunately Jim Goodwin is reluctant to give them a chance in the Premiership though. Relegation battle for United this season.

Kenny: I have been a loyal and true supporter of United for well over 50 years and this has to be one of the worst United teams that I have ever seen. Goodwin talks about the 'group' - what group?

They are all basically a bunch of mercenaries who, individually, don't give a hoot about Dundee United and are just here to pick up their over-inflated wage packet.

Phil: I was critical of Goodwin last season but this isn't on him, we've played well in the last three games but we just can't find the net.

Eddie: Absolutely terrible, embarrassing performance after embarrassing performance. This manager is taking us backwards and simply has to go. We have signed some absolute guff and it's on him. He has absolutely no idea how to set up a team.

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Dundee United boss Jim Goodwin admitted full responsbility for his side's current run of poor form, having lose lost their last three games in all competitions by a combined score of 10-0.

The latest defeat was the most damaging, a 2-0 defeat to Dundee at Tannadice in the derby, although Goodwin was quick to shield his players from criticism.

"I don't think the recent results are down to a lack of effort or a lack of commitment from any of the players," Goodwin said. "I've got to take responsibility on my shoulders. As the manager, I've signed all of these players, I've brought them in to Dundee United.

"I believe in every single one of them. If you look back on the key metrics that we analyse games by, I think you'll see that we've probably had the better of most situations in the last couple of games in particular, but we certainly don't have the results to show for that."

Kilmarnock are next up for United next week, the only side below them in the Premiership table after the opening couple rounds of fixtures.

"Law of averages would say if that continues going forward and we continue to have the better of all those metrics than the opponent, then the results will change with it," Goodwin added.

"That's what my message to the players has been after the game.

"We've got a huge game now next week. I know that this game, ultimately, it's all about results. As manager, I know the buck stops with me.

"Next Saturday is huge. We have to put a stop to this run of defeats and we have to try and make sure we get a win."

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Dundee United manager Jim Goodwin: "Another disappointing result.

"I could stand here and talk about all the key metrics that we'll look back on but the stat that matters most is that scoreline and I've ben in the game long enough to understand that.

"I thought we started the game brightly, made a mistake in the middle of the pitch and then Drey Wright hits an incredible strike.

"I felt we had a lot of momentum at the start of the second half but then we get the sucker punch from the corner.

"I believe in this group of players, some of the performances have been good and the results haven't reflected that.

"We've had the better of pretty much every key metric we judge a game by, unfortunately we haven't been able to keep a clean sheet and that's what it boils down to. We haven't been clinical enough, that's the bottom line and as manager it's my responsibility to make sure that changes.

"The law of averages, if you look back at the key stats then if we continue to have more of those opportunities and possession then law of averages would suggest the results will follow.

"Ultimately this game is all about results and our results in the last three games simply haven't been good enough.

"I think the fixtures have been extremely tough, we've played last year's top three teams in the opening three fixtures. I'm certainly not panicking. I know there's going to be a lot of criticism coming my way and it's deserved but I've still got belief and confidence in the group. I think we'lre doing a lot of good things during the week but the reality is that needs to come through at the weekend."

Drey Wright's stunning strike helped Dundee secure a Scottish Premiership derby victory at rivals Dundee United and extended an alarming start to the season for Jim Goodwin's side.

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Dundee United midfielder Dylan Tait is "buzzing" for his first Dundee derby and insists the fixture was one of the reasons he moved to Tannadice.

The 24-year-old joined from Falkirk in the summer and can't wait to experience one of Scottish football's biggest rivalries.

"I'm buzzing for it, I think it means so much to so many people," said Tait.

"People you speak to around the club, people I've spoken to that have played in these games, they say how good they are and I'm really looking forward to it.

"These games are all for the fans, and we just want to go out there and put on our best performance and give the fans something to get behind. A win on Saturday would be amazing.

"It's one of the reasons I joined the club, to play in these types of games and occasions.

"It'll be a really tough game, Dundee have started well. I've seen a few of their games and we've done our analysis on them.

"They've got good that can cause us problems, but also we can cause them problems."

United have endured a difficult start to the campaign - taking one point from their opening two Premiership games before exiting the League Cup to Celtic - but Tait believes their performances have been better than results suggest.

He was suspended for last weekend's defeat by Celtic but feels there have been plenty of positives to take from the opening fixtures.

"Box to box we've been good and we've been in the games," the 24-year-old said.

"We've had chances and I think it's just that wee last bit to go and be clinical and score goals and, obviously, at the other end keep it out.

"The games have probably been a bit harsh on the scorelines, but we've kind of put them to bed now.

"It's a big one on Saturday, so we're just trying to take the positives from the games and try to get a win."

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United will again be without Will Ferry (groin) but the full-back should be back for the following weekend.

Dundee could hand loan signing Bobby Wales a debut after Simon Murray was ruled out with cruciate ligament damage.

Midfielder Callum Jones could be fast-tracked into a comeback from ankle surgery while Imari Samuels is also back in training after a knee problem.

Ashley Hay (knee) remains out while Drey Wright is a doubt.

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Jim Goodwin has been speaking to the media before his Dundee United side host Dundee in the derby at Tannadice on Saturday.

Here are the key lines:

• Will Ferry will miss the game after a scan revealed a small issue with his groin. The full-back could return next week and Goodwin insists the injury "certainly won't impact" a potential move away from Tannadice.

• Despite successive 4-0 defeats, there is "lots of positivity" at United and "no better time" to bounce back than a derby win.

• Goodwin says fans he has met "recognise what we're trying to do", adding: "They can see the improvements that have been made over the summer in terms of the recruitment. We're trying to change the system and the style of play completely. We have had a lot of positive passages of play within both the last couple of games, but unfortunately the results haven't reflected that."

• He wants United to be more clinical in attack and "defend better in certain situations".

• Goodwin remains unhappy with refereeing decisions in last weekend's defeat by Celtic, claiming the second goal should have been ruled out for handball and his side ought to have been awarded a penalty.

• The club have spoken to the SFA but the explanation "gave us more questions than answers", says Goodwin.

• Goodwin says the squad is now the strongest of his Tannadice reign and selection decisions are a "great headache to have".

• He praises opposite number Steven Pressley for doing a "terrific job" at Dundee, saying: "He's built a really good side. They're a good team, we respect them, but I've got to focus all my attention on my group of players and what we can do to cause them problems."

• The derby is the only Premiership game this weekend and Goodwin says: "It's going to be broadcast live on the TV. There'll be people all over the world watching it. It's going to be a great spectacle and hopefully we do enough on the day to come out on top."

• The Irishman is eyeing victory to kickstart United's campaign after a difficult first few matches and knows this game is "more significant than others" because of the rivalry.

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Bobby Wales is set to be thrust straight in for a debut in the Dundee derby at Tannadice on Saturday and has "a point to prove" after moving to Dens Park on loan, says Scott Allan.

Former Kilmarnock striker Wales, 21, is back in Scottish football after struggling to make the grade at Swansea City following his move last summer.

With Simon Murray out injured long term, can Wales recapture the form he showed at Killie?

"What you're starting to see with [manager] Steven Pressley is he's getting guys who understand Scotland," said Allan, who played for both Dundee and Unitd.

He added: "Wales has a lot of good aspects about his game. As a young player coming back, you'll have that point to prove you're going to be the talisman for this Dundee side. They're very well organised.

"It's ideal for a striker if you can win the ball high up, it means you only have to make one movement to get on the end of crosses and I certainly believe he's one of the strikers who, if given a chance, he can score."

Former Premiership striker Kris Doolan believes Dundee winger Joe Bevan has a big role to play.

"I like Joe. I saw him when he was 17, 18 when he was playing at Albion Rovers, before he went down south," said Doolan.

"A lot of clubs tried to sign him. He's developed physically. He'll be a huge player for them this year."

United are seeking to bounce back from successive 4-0 defeats to Hearts and Celtic, although they hit the woodwork four times in the latter loss.

"Dundee United just now, you have to create chances, you have to finish them," said Doolan.

"They do have goalscorers in their team, they do have good players in there.

"They're maybe still in that position where they're still trying to find that balance between attacking and not conceding lots of goals."

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• After their 3-0 victory in April, Dundee United could win successive Scottish Premiership games against rivals Dundee for the first time since January 2015.

• Dundee have won two of their past three top-flight visits to Tannadice (L1), as many as their previous 20 beforehand (W2 D11 L7).

• United are winless in six Premiership games (D3 L3), the longest ongoing run of any side currently in the competition.

• Since the start of May, only Celtic have more top-flight points (18) and wins (6) than Dundee (12 points, 4 wins).

• Across the opening two matches of this season's Premiership, Dundee have completed the fewest passes (493) and have the lowest passing accuracy (70.8%). Despite this, only three sides have recorded more shots than their 29.

Dundee United manager Jim Goodwin has spoken with midfielder Panutche Camara following the 29-year-old's recent social media outburst. (Record - subscription required, external)

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Manager Jim Goodwin acknowledges that Will Ferry's future remains "up in the air" after confirming that the Dundee United wing-back has been offered an improved contract extension. (The Courier - subscription required, external)

Ronny Costello
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Well, I'm not entirely sure how you hit the woodwork FIVE times and still lose 4-0 but United managed it.

Another 4-0 defeat looks horrendous on paper, especially a week after Tynecastle, but this was a completely different game.

Julius Eskesen and Emmanuel Agyei hit the post. Zac Sapsford, Bert Esselink and Mehdi Merghem hit the bar. At some point you start wondering if Celtic had brought their own goals with them.

The difference was simple - Celtic were ruthless and United were wasteful.

And wasteful is the word I can't get away from. We created enough opportunities to make a proper game of it, but somehow failed to register a shot on target for the second week running.

That doesn't excuse the other end either.

Eight goals conceded in two games is concerning however you dress it up. Celtic punished mistakes and poor defending in a way United simply couldn't.

So, we're out the cup, our 11-game unbeaten home run is gone and what's next?

Dundee at Tannadice. Perfect. Because if ever there was a game to make everyone forget the last fortnight, it's that one.

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We asked for your views after Dundee United were eliminated from the Scottish League Cup by four-goal Celtic on Saturday.

Here's what some of you said:

Mierse: Our first three games have been against the top three in Scotland, who all have vastly larger budgets at their disposal. Nine goals conceded and only one scored are not good stats by any measurement but do not show the whole picture. This team are an improvement on last season and they will come good.

Peter: Patience, patience, patience is what is needed before fans start crying out for the manager's head again. To have faced the top three to start a new season is a challenging set of fixtures when the squad has been overhauled.

Dave: The bottom line is United were beaten by a far better team with far better players. However, the way United constantly took the game to Celtic was refreshing.

Mack: Not good enough and need a bit more of a striker with strength. We can't blame Jim Goodwin all the time, but your job is hanging by a thread.

Ross: Disagreed with Goodwin after the Hearts game, where we were totally outplayed and deserved the scoreline. But he's right about this match. United were competitive, particularly early on and the attitude from the players was excellent right to the end.

Ronny: Still can't defend corners or set-pieces, same as last season. This will be a major problem every match, other teams know this.

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Dundee United manager Jim Goodwin: "It was a very similar type of game to last weekend at Tynecastle [another 4-0 defeat]. I don't think the scoreline is a fair reflection of our performance at all.

"The opening 15 minutes or so was very good as far as we're concerned. The press was good at the top end of the pitch.

"We're disappointed with how we defend the set piece [for first goal]. The delivery is excellent.

"The second goal is the one that really frustrates me, to be honest. "Don't get me wrong, I'm disappointed in the fact that two Celtic players can run into our box unopposed, but I thought the whole point of VAR was to stop those type of incidents happening.

"There is no doubt about it, the ball strikes off the Celtic attacker's hand and lands perfectly for his team-mate to go and tap it into the net.

"I know it wasn't the guy who handballed it who put it into the net, but surely a bit of common sense needs to prevail there. The handball directly impacts on the goal."

Celtic's strong start to the season continued as they swept past Dundee United to book a place in the League Cup quarter-finals.

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Jim Goodwin knows his Dundee United side must be at their best against Celtic in the Premier Sports Cup on Sunday, but believes they have what it takes to upset the odds.

The Tannadice outfit earned a deserved point in their Scottish Premiership opener against Rangers before losing 4-0 at Hearts last weekend.

"It's obviously one of the most difficult draws that you could get," Goodwin told DUTV.

"You know that if you're going to win a cup then you're going to have to face some of the big boys at some stage in the competition.

"Ideally, you probably don't want to be meeting them until the semi-final or the final, but the draw has thrown this fixture up.

"It's early days to be playing Celtic, but it's a really good test for the players. They performed really, really well in the last home game against Rangers, the atmosphere within the stadium was incredible.

"Our supporters contributed greatly on the night, and we gave them plenty to cheer about in that game, and we have to make sure we do the same again tomorrow evening if we're going to get a result."

Celtic have bolstered their squad with the signings of midfielder Mika Baur and winger Haissem Hassan, after the arrivals of forwards Kasper Hogh and Camilo Duran earlier this summer.

"Celtic have been the best team in the country for a number of years now," Goodwin said.

"You can see the investment that they've made in their squad during this summer window.

"I think they're touching nearly £40million spend so that gives you an indication as to the quality that we're going to face tomorrow.

"But we showed last year [by beating Celtic 2-0], if we get the game plan right and if the players perform to the levels that they're capable of, then anything can happen, and that has to be the mindset going to the game."

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Dundee United boss Jim Goodwin has been speaking to the media as his side prepare for Saturday's visit of Celtic in the League Cup.

Here are the main points:

• Goodwin feels his side are "a couple of points short of where we should be given the overall performance against Rangers in the opening fixture" but insists "there were certainly lots of positives to take from it".

• Although "we were feeling really good going into the game against Hearts" the United boss says "we couldn't have got off to a worse start with the opening goal after three or four minutes" as they were beaten 4-0 at Tynecastle last weekend.

• And while he knows "it's not ideal at this early stage of the season" to lose by such a big margin, he insists "I'm pretty confident that we'll get a positive reaction tomorrow".

• On midfielder Abdoulaye Yoro, who joined from Istanbul Basaksehir on loan, Goodwin admits "he's a little bit behind the rest of the group but he's in good shape, just needs that little bit of sharpness".

• And the new midfielder "will be a part of the squad tomorrow and will hopefully make his home debut".

• On transfers, Goodwin admits "in terms of incomings that will be pretty much us in terms of the business that we've done".

• And the manager is happy with the depth of his squad, adding "when everybody is fit and available we're probably going to have to leave one or two players in the stand, which is not something we've had the luxury of being able to do in the three years I've been here".

• The boss feels "we've done some brilliant work in the transfer window and I think we're in a really strong place going forward".

• On facing Celtic in the last 16 of the League Cup, Goodwin knows "it's one of the most difficult draws that you could get" but feels "it's a really good test for the players".

• Looking back on the 1-1 draw with Rangers in their first game of the season, Goodwin feels his side gave supporters "a lot to cheer about" and stresses "we have to make sure we do the same tomorrow night".

• But the United manager is confident, adding "we showed last year that if we get the game plan right, and the players perform to the level they're capable of, we can get a result."