The third question to the leaders is from Myles Wellington, 52, a healthcare manager from Cardiff.

He asks: “With schools, hospitals, and social housing already under sustained pressure, can Wales really afford to be a Nation of Sanctuary?”

Immigration is not devolved - but the nation of sanctuary is a Welsh government policy to support those who do come to Wales.

Jane Dodds says: "We want to ensure that people who are fleeing from safety have a safe and welcoming place to come to."

She says 91% of the money spent under the nation of sanctuary banner has gone to support Ukrainian refugees.

No timetable for independence in Plaid manifestopublished at 20:54 BST 28 April

20:54 BST 28 April

Daniel Davies
Wales political correspondent

Rhun ap Iorwerth repeats a line we've heard often from him during this campaign: that this election "is not about independence".

It's worth remembering there has been a notable change in Plaid's approach towards independence under his leadership.

At the last election in 2021, its manifesto said a Plaid government would hold an independence referendum by 2026.

But there is no timetable for a vote this time, instead Plaid says it will lay the foundations for a future white paper on Welsh independence.

Dan Thomas says £5 million that he claims was spent on insulating sports clubs and giving them solar panels could have been spent on low income families.

Rhun ap Iorwerth accuses him of not believing in funding sports clubs.

He says it is an example of "quangos" spending money on the wrong things. Reform wants to scrap many such organisations.

Some audience members laugh as Eluned Morgan is quizzed on her thoughts about Sir Keir Starmer's attempts to tackle the cost of living crisis.

She says polices like raising the minimum wage, helping pensioners "get a better deal" and providing energy support show that he has been good for the people of Wales.

Host Bethan Rhys Roberts asks if the Westminster and Welsh Labour government partnership has been as fruitful as she expected.

"There are things that he's brought to Wales that we wouldn't have had under the Conservatives," she responds.

Why hasn't Sir Keir Starmer been on the campaign?

Morgan says she'd "rather he sort out the Middle East, to be honest".

Is Morgan proud of how the prime minister dealt with Peter Mandelson?

"He should never appointed him," she says.

"Listen, this is supposed to be a debate about Wales."

The Welsh Labour government had dropped its targets on child poverty.

Did it give up? Eluned Morgan says it was because "some of the levers weren't within our power".

She appears to partially blame the two-child benefit cap, introduced by the last Conservative UK government, and which continued until it was recently scrapped by Sir Keir Starmer's Labour government.

Darren Millar says cutting taxes would help Wales become a "more prosperous nation".

"Independence will be a disaster for our public finances".

"I'm not prepared to put that burden on to people at a time like this," he says.

Rhun ap Iorwerth says this election is "not about independence".

"It's about health, and education and job creation", he says.

Asked what his timescale for independence in the future is, he does not give one, saying it is "up to the people here in the audience".

Slaughter says independence is the best future for Wales, "but we are not there yet".

Eluned Morgan accuses Plaid Cymru of wanting to give child care support to millionaires.

"You want to be a leader? You have to make tough calls," she tells Rhun ap Iorwerth.

"You've made a tough call. But you've decided that millionaires are going to be getting more," she says.

Morgan accuses other parties of having to have a pay freeze for public sector workers because they had not budgeted for an increase.

That leads Dan Thomas to accuse Morgan of "assuming that you've lost". Labour have been lagging in opinion polls that have suggested they might come third.

Darren Millar says he has been "quite happy to answer questions on costings". He says he wants to help with the cost of living by providing a 1p cut in income tax.

Jane Dodds says she will not publish costings. "We want to influence the government," she says.

Anthony Slaughter says the Greens have "priorities" to tackle the cost of living crisis, like a rent freeze and free bus travel.

He does not answer a question if they would publish costings, suggesting he would list them on the programme.

Morgan says her party has been "very transparent". "I'm happy to show you what we've got," she says.

Have NHS waiting lists fallen for nine months in a row?published at 20:33 BST 28 April

20:33 BST 28 April

Defending her government’s record on NHS, Labour leader Eluned Morgan said that waiting lists had come down “for nine months in a row”.

This is correct.

However, the number of waits is still much higher than in the months before the Covid-19 pandemic.

The waiting list was 687,958 in February this year, according to the latest official figures, external.

In the months before the pandemic, waiting lists were typically around 463,000.

The number of waits is not the same as the number of individual patients, because some people will be waiting for multiple treatments - the latest report says the February waits refer to 543,400 individual patients.

Dan Thomas challenges all the leaders in the panel to publish their costings - none have.

Reform had previously said they would, before suggesting they might not if other parties did not.

A show of hands from the audience suggest they want to see how much the party's think their manifestos will cost.

The second question to the leaders is from Daniel Vining, a 33-year-old chef from Caerphilly.

“If elected, what will your party do to help families in Wales with the cost of living?”

Rhun ap Iorwerth says he is offering a childcare programme that will be the "most generous in these islands" - worth £30,000 per child.

He says they would expand free school meals, and put pressure on the UK government "to do the right things when it comes to the price of fuel".

Parties divided over NHS policiespublished at 20:29 BST 28 April

20:29 BST 28 April

Daniel Davies
Wales political correspondent

There have been clear divides between parties on the left and right of politics during this campaign - clearer, I think, than in any previous Senedd election.

We got an early glimpse of that tonight in the first question about the NHS.

Rhun ap Iorwerth and Jane Dodds questioned Reform UK’s commitment to a health system funded from taxation – something Dan Thomas denies.

Dodds also highlighted the Liberal Democrats’ policy to increase income tax to fund social care, whereas Reform UK and the Conservatives both promise tax cuts.

Anthony Slaughter says "so many people are going to A&E who don't need to, but it's the only option they've got".

He says that is "blocking the system".

Darren Millar says there needs to be more community hospitals

"A third of the beds have been closed over the past 20-odd years. It's no wonder there's a beds crisis in the NHS," he says.

Ten hours in A&E...published at 20:27 BST 28 April

20:27 BST 28 April

Owain Clarke
Wales health correspondent

An audience member spoke of her husband recently spending 10 hours in an A&E department

The latest statistics show that in March no fewer than 10,939 patients waited 12 hours or more in Welsh A&E departments.

This was 1,126 (11.5%) more than in the previous month.

Targets state nobody should at all should wait in an A&E this long.

Reform's Dan Thomas claims he could fund "hundreds of nurses through efficiencies that are blindly obvious".

He says the Welsh government still spends £170m on agency staff, and "there are health boards in England that have moved agency staff to bank and bank staff to directly employed, that could save easily between £20m and £30m".

Later, asked by an audience member why there is "so much chaos in A&E" when Wales receives more public funding than England, he adds there is "no ministerial authority or oversight" on the health service.

The audience member says her husband had spent 10 hours in A&E that day.

Eluned Morgan is challenged on problems paramedics and midwives students are facing in getting jobs.

"What happened was that we spent a lot of money on agency workers, and everybody was telling us to cut down on the number of agency workers.

"We're retaining more people in the NHS."

But Rhun ap Iorwerth said it was another example where Labour's plan was not working in the NHS.

Jane Dodds said she would not allow the NHS "go into Reform UK's hands because they would not save the NHS".

She says more money needs to go into social care "because that helps the front and the back door of our hospitals".

More money is needed, she says.

"If that money is not available through the budgets from Westminster or from the Senate, we will raise your taxes by a penny in the pound."